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KCCC 41 - Live Zurich, Nov. 15, 1973

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Re: KCCC 41 - Live Zurich, Nov. 15, 1973

Postby diderot on Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:08 pm

It seems they have problems in the dispatching department... Maybe the guy that takes the packages to the post office is on vacation or something like that. My package was sent two weeks after the promised date.
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Re: KCCC 41 - Live Zurich, Nov. 15, 1973

Postby diderot on Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:53 pm

Something intrigues me: if The Mincer was culled from the Zurich show, how did they loose it between the first and second parts of The Law of Maximum Distress, or the source for TGD and the last Club release is other than the one used on SaBB? Anyway we got a muffled instrumental Mincer… It's strange but very well edited.
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Re: KCCC 41 - Live Zurich, Nov. 15, 1973

Postby Owen on Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:10 am

The un-overdubbed 'Mincer' tapes (or the SABB multi-tracks from which the overdubs could be edited out) are missing (or were permanently altered during the SABB recording sessions).

For the TGD box they used all the unoverdubbed tapes they had at the time, electing that a gap was a better option than the insertion of 'The Mincer' complete with SABB overdubs.

For this release a newly-found bootleg recording has been cleaned up and stitched in the missing spot between TLOMD1 & TLOMD2.
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Re: KCCC 41 - Live Zurich, Nov. 15, 1973

Postby diderot on Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:46 pm

Owen wrote:The un-overdubbed 'Mincer' tapes (or the SABB multi-tracks from which the overdubs could be edited out) are missing (or were permanently altered during the SABB recording sessions).

So, there's a chance we won't see (or listen to) a 5.1 remix of this album...
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Re: KCCC 41 - Live Zurich, Nov. 15, 1973

Postby Owen on Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:25 pm

I only know what has been posted about it being impossible to remove the overdubs from The Mincer to recreate the missing section of The Law of Maximum Distress.

I don't think this is in any way an indication that a 5.1 remix of the SABB album won't be possible.
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Re: KCCC 41 - Live Zurich, Nov. 15, 1973

Postby octopus92 on Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:28 pm

Finally, I've received my package (more than 2 months after DGM took the money... :o ) but the David Cross live album is missing (not in stock.... :lol: )

Will wait for another couple of weeks (perhaps before Christmas...) before I could hear it...

Well, the Live In Zurich is really fantastic : strange that they couldn't karaoke the voice of Wetton on "The Mincer" from the SABB and hear the complete concert here with multi-tracks tapes (but the bootleg excerpt is really very well tasted with the overall music...)

I think this concert is more interesting than the Concertgebouw at Amsterdam some 2 weeks later : more adventurous for my ears and Cross seems much more inspired here on keyboards !

It is the most interesting KCCC since the Zoom Club in my humble opinion ! :P
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Re: KCCC 41 - Live Zurich, Nov. 15, 1973

Postby Krimzep on Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:54 pm

octopus92 wrote:Finally, I've received my package (more than 2 months after DGM took the money... :o ) but the David Cross live album is missing (not in stock.... :lol: )

Will wait for another couple of weeks (perhaps before Christmas...) before I could hear it...

Well, the Live In Zurich is really fantastic : strange that they couldn't karaoke the voice of Wetton on "The Mincer" from the SABB and hear the complete concert here with multi-tracks tapes (but the bootleg excerpt is really very well tasted with the overall music...)

I think this concert is more interesting than the Concertgebouw at Amsterdam some 2 weeks later : more adventurous for my ears and Cross seems much more inspired here on keyboards !

It is the most interesting KCCC since the Zoom Club in my humble opinion ! :P



did you get the berkeley release? I have zurich and zoom and amsterdam but to my ears Berkeley is a highly polished performance by all
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Re: KCCC 41 - Live Zurich, Nov. 15, 1973

Postby Owen on Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:57 pm

octopus92 wrote:strange that they couldn't karaoke the voice of Wetton on "The Mincer" from the SABB and hear the complete concert here with multi-tracks tapes (but the bootleg excerpt is really very well tasted with the overall music...)


Even if they could remove the vocals from The Mincer there still would be the gap where the tape ran out. Hence the decision to use the cleaned up bootleg.
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Re: KCCC 41 - Live Zurich, Nov. 15, 1973

Postby Indyrod on Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:25 pm

more on this later, but I found this Club release to be absolutely excellent, in fact, mindblowing. Fripp and Lark's band absolutely tear through this era's best material. If a live recording could be judged as perfect, this would be the one. Everything, every track including some great improvs, ran chills down my spine. Thing is, how did back in 1973, did people react to seeing such an incredible and one of a kind band perform flawlessly, some pretty evil and unbelievably precise music. This recording alone would classify Fripp as one of the great guitarists to ever grace the stage. And also, this is what Progressive Rock is all about, something brand new, something people had never heard before, something that may have them leaving the venue shaking their heads, totally stunned (and probably stoned). I love this 2-disc release, it shows the Larks band at its absolute best.
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Re: KCCC 41 - Live Zurich, Nov. 15, 1973

Postby penguinzzz on Tue Apr 06, 2010 9:33 am

I can't hear any other overdubs on the SABB 'Mincer' apart from the vocals, so I can't see why the majority of that wasn't used for KCCC41 with 2 patches from the audience tape to cover a few seconds at the beginning, and a minute of so for the vocal part / tape run-out. A matter of opinion of course.
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