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What's an alumni? Is that what silver foil is made of? No, you buffoon - this is where you post about ex-members of the band.

Postby The Crimson Avenger on Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:43 pm

Indyrod wrote:And you called me a REPUBLICAN???? You have to be kidding.


I think you and I are much more compatibly politically than musically. But coopting the mainstream with a non-mainstream ethos is a muy Rovian tactic.

Indyrod wrote:Criticize all you want about my soundtracks (from critically acclaimed recordings) and my Kylie and Dido affections, but I would not have the guts to put a recording called "Various - Pink Panther's Penthouse Party" on any list anywhere, or let anybody on Earth know I had it. Are you sure "Calvert DeForest" isn't a porn star? I think I've seen about all of your lists I want, thank you................


Calvert DeForest is the real name of the 'actor' who played Larry Bud Melman on the old Letterman show.

And I do have the guts list the Pink Panther's Penthouse Party on because I'm not ashamed of it, and in the context it makes sense. Plus, it's a fun album - it even has Fatboy Slim's 'Weapon of Choice' on it.

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Postby vrooom on Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:47 pm

I think you should have made a shorter list, maybe 12 or so titles, like whathisface suggested. I mean someone could start a thread like this, your 12 favourite influential records blah, blah, blah, but I can't as I have listophobia. :D


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Postby MarkSullivan on Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:53 pm

Just for kicks, here's my list of things I either own or have owned:

King Sunny Ade - Aura
The Balinese Gamelan - Music From The Morning of The World
Bembeya Jazz - Bembeya
Moses Bob - When Elephants Dream of Music
Boukman Eksperyans - not this one, but 2 others
Clifford Brown - not this one, but 2 others
Dave Brubeck - not this one, but 1 other
Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue (+ about 10 others)
Charlie Christian - Genius of the Electric Guitar
Clark - Dial 'S' For Sonny (+ about 4 others)
John Coltrane - The Avante Garde (+ about 20 others)
Ry Cooder - neither of these, but have 2 collaborations
Miles Davis - Ascensuer Au L'echafaud (never got this! have about 40 others)
Sekou Diabate - Guitar Fo
Eric Dolphy - At the Five Spot Vol. 1
Eric Dolphy - At the Five Spot Vol. 2
Kenny Dorham - Afro-Cuban
Kenny Dorham - Una Mas
Duke Ellington - Money Jungle
Gil Evans - Out of the Cool
Bill Frisell - none of these; own several earlier ones
Grant Green - Complete Quartets w/ Sonny Clark
Grant Green - Idle Moments (+ about 12 others)
Trilok Gurtu - Usfret
Kip Hanrahan - Days and Nights of Blue Luck Inverted
Kip Hanrahan - Desire Develops an Edge
Kip Hanrahan - Vertical's Currency
Roy Hargrove - not this one; have a straightahead date
Joe Henderson - Double Rainbow: Music of Jobim
Joe Henderson - Inner Urge
Joe Henderson - Mode for Joe (+ about 5 others)
Andrew Hill - Black Fire
Andrew Hill - Point of Departure (+ about 6 others)
Dave Holland - Not For Nuthin'
Dave Holland - The Razor's Edge (+ about 8 others)
Bobby Hutcherson - Dialogue (+ about 8 others)
David Hykes - Harmonic Meetings
Salif Keita - Soro (+ about 3 others not on your list)
The Kronos Quartet - Pieces Of Africa
Pete LaRoca - Basra
Baaba Maal - Firin' in Fouta
Jackie McLean - Right Now! (+ about 10 others)
The Michael Nyman Band - at least one non-soundtrack album
Charles Mingus - Let My Children Hear Music
Charles Mingus - Mingus at Antibes
Charles Mingus - The Black Saint & The Sinner Lady
Charles Mingus - The Great Concert of Charles Mingus
Hank Mobley - No Room For Squares
Hank Mobley - Soul Station
Hank Mobley - Straight, No Filter (+ about 10 others)
Thelonious Monk - Brilliant Corners (+ about 8 others)
Lee Morgan - Search for the New Land
Lee Morgan - The Procrastinator
Lee Morgan - The Rumproller (+ about 8 others)
Youssou N'Dour - neither of these, but about 5 earlier ones
Oliver Nelson - Blues and the Abstract Truth
James Newton - The African Flower
Old and New Dreams - Playing
Orchestra Baobob - Pirate's Choice
Oregon - Distant Hills
Oregon - In Performance
Oregon - Out of the Woods
Oregon - Roots in the Sky
Art Pepper - Meets the Rhythm Section
Danilo Perez - Panamonk
Don Pullen - The Sixth Sense
Django Reinhardt - Complete Hot Club of Paris
Sam Rivers - Extensions & Dimensions (+ 2 others)
Sonny Rollins - neither of these, but about 9 others
Wayne Shorter - Footprints Live!(+ about 12 others: you need the Blue Note hard bop dates)
Horace Silver - not this one, but two others
Richard Thompson - not this one, but about 5 others
Ralph Towner - A Closer View
McCoy Tyner - The Real McCoy (+ about 6 others)
Various - African Typic Collection
Various - Cuba Classics Vol 2
Various - Cuba: Dance Classics Vol. 2
Various - Hurricane Zouk
Colin Walcott - Cloud Dances
Colin Wolcott - Grazing Dreams
Reggie Workman - Cerebral Caverns
Reggie Workman - Summit Conference
Tom Ze - Jogos de Armar

So I guess it goes without saying I don't think many of these artists are "obscure." But this is a King Crimson discussion group, after all, so I don't know how reasonable it is to expect eveyone to have extensive listening experience way outside that genre. If you make a big point of that--I've listened to more than you, so therefore my opinion is better-informed than yours--you're immediately insulting the other person's taste and intelligence. Which is fine if that's your goal, but it doesn't tend to encourage open, courteous discourse. Ultimately you're arguing about taste, anyway, which IMO is a waste of time.
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Postby Yorkshire Square on Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:14 pm

The Crimson Avenger wrote:
Yorkshire Square wrote:Actually a list of 12 would have been better. And some annotation to say why its so great and who they are would be even betterer.


I may just do that. That was just a groundburst to soften the terrain.

Yorkshire Square wrote:Of course the list should not include;

Lyle Lovatt - It's LOVETT you Wetton-licking progboy!
Wilco

Any of the following
Various...
which could probably lumped under "albums I found under the stairs when I moved in" or "albums I found in my parents record collection" :shock:


How totally fucking open-minded of you.

I will confess to a weakness for 60's kitsch, lounge and exotica, which you can file next to Windy's horror movie soundtracks if you like...


The first bit was serious. Well as serious as I get anyhow.

The second bit was a wind-up I suppose.

Apart from Lyle Whatshisname. :lol:
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Postby The Crimson Avenger on Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:16 pm

MarkSullivan wrote:Just for kicks, here's my list of things I either own or have owned... So I guess it goes without saying I don't think many of these artists are "obscure."


not bad :wink:

MarkSullivan wrote:But this is a King Crimson discussion group, after all, so I don't know how reasonable it is to expect eveyone to have extensive listening experience way outside that genre. If you make a big point of that--I've listened to more than you, so therefore my opinion is better-informed than yours--you're immediately insulting the other person's taste and intelligence.


The point is not to expect everybody to listen to, or enjoy, everything I listen to, but to observe that there is a much broader world out there than English Progressive Rock, and in that context, it may be justifiable to feel that some EPR doesn't hold up all that well. We all know the old saying about opinions, and all I'm saying is that mine is no less puckered than any of the other progholes' around here.

MarkSullivan wrote: Which is fine if that's your goal, but it doesn't tend to encourage open, courteous discourse. Ultimately you're arguing about taste, anyway, which IMO is a waste of time.


Of course you're right.
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Postby diderot on Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:12 pm

No one was born loving English Progressive Rock, but some way we are here now.

My musical background started with my parents albums: Nat King Cole, popular Classics, movie soundtracks like Ben Hur, pre-muzak (easy listening) by Andre Kostelanetz and Bert Kaempfert; some bossanova and samba-jazz, very popular in the '60s. Ah, they had too Hawaian Sunset by Arthur Lyman. :wink:

I started collecting music buying 7" by Alice Cooper, Elton John, Lennon, McCartney (circa 1973~75), then someone presented me Led Zeppelin, then Pink Floyd, then Yes, ELP and King Crimson, and the rest is history... I got into jazz and classics in late '80s when I was able to review my parents records.

From TCA's list, some names are obscure to me, mostly what we would classify as world music. From the known names I think I have about 15 of those titles and 40 other different titles from the same players.

I've noted a penchant for Tom Jobim and it was funny to find anyone beyond David Byrne (you and Mark) that values Tom Ze. <-- JOKE :D

Even here Tom Ze is still ahead of his time...
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Postby Owen on Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:32 am

Hey hey TCA I have quite a few of those... and quite a few of Indy's faves too. The best of all genres is my motto.

Charles Mingus - The Black Saint & The Sinner Lady


What a fucking amazing album...

John Wetton doesn't play on it though...

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Postby MarkSullivan on Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:40 am

Owen wrote:
Charles Mingus - The Black Saint & The Sinner Lady


What a fucking amazing album...

John Wetton doesn't play on it though...

:twisted:

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True! And more to the point, Wetton doesn't sing on it either....
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Postby Riverman on Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:20 pm

The Crimson Avenger wrote:For #13 allow me to suggest Douglas/Meyer/Barenberg 'Skip Hop & Wobble'.

Y'know what? Some kind of bluegrass mood always seems to come out at this time of year, and I'd had the idea of looking for something vaguely in the vein of Strength in Numbers, so this looks like juuuuust the thing. Funds should allow at the end of the week, so I've got it bookmarked...
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Postby Gilesfan on Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:28 am

What albums was Wetton on with Uriah Heep and Wishbone Ash, if any? Did he just play bass, or sing with these bands as well? These bands are so different to King Crimson. :o

Someone I know saw him live with Uriah Heep around 1975 (which must have been right after the break-up of King Crimson) and said he did an unbelievable bass solo in concert! :o
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