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should Kc have carried on with that wanker phil collins

no it would have ruined my vision of fripp
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19%
sure it would have been great
11
42%
collins sucks and would have destroyed Kc for ever
9
34%
no biggie whom ever replaced bill would have been fine
1
3%
 
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Re: Phil Collins and King Crimson

Postby Dog_none on Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:40 pm

joeuman wrote:Considering that Wetton's output in the late 70's/early 80's was as shit and sometimes worse than Collins, I'm not sure we can judge Collins as harshly. I think the fact that both were such good players, when in decent bands at the time, it still would have been fruitful had they stuck together. They're just not good visionaries.



Good point and excellent first post. However I would emphasize that Collins' low points were usually at least either interesting or tasteful (although sometimes niether). I can't say the same for Wetton (but I have to admit that I don't know his work outside of KC as well as I know Collins').
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Re: Phil Collins and King Crimson

Postby vrooom on Sat Sep 05, 2009 8:11 pm

Just pick up any of Wetton's solo albums or perhaps his collaboration with Phil Manzanera as a lesson in WTF?
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Re: Phil Collins and King Crimson

Postby jtmack on Sat Sep 05, 2009 8:24 pm

vrooom wrote:Just pick up any of Wetton's solo albums or perhaps his collaboration with Phil Manzanera as a lesson in WTF?

That's why I'm a Wetton licker, I'm blinded by my fandom. Wetton voice is one of my favorites. If Mr Grumpy seat didn't dump the Wetton era line up because he though the world was ending :roll: things might have been different. I blame Fripp for Wettons lack of content! :evil: See how it works PC killed Genesis and Fripp killed the Wetton era line up.
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Re: Phil Collins and King Crimson

Postby Yorkshire Square on Sun Sep 06, 2009 2:23 pm

Now an album of co-penned duos would be a killer! :wink:

They could call themselves Brand UK or UKX or something like that. Phil on drums & vocals, John on guitar and vocals, Geoff Downes on keyboard, and Chris Squire on bass and three part harmonies! Wow! Do they need a manager?

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Re: Phil Collins and King Crimson

Postby Geno on Sun Sep 06, 2009 3:30 pm

Yorkshire Square wrote:[Asia] is da dogs bollox...


Yep, they're certainly bollox all right.
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Re: Phil Collins and King Crimson

Postby Krimzep on Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:02 pm

bottom line PC is a talented drummer no doubt, but it was bills involvement with genesis that kept the old alive. after bills stint was over gen started their slow down hill run to their death and gabriels fame rose to much loftier hights than PC's genesis ever did.
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Re: Phil Collins and King Crimson

Postby vrooom on Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:15 pm

Krimzep wrote:gabriels fame rose to much loftier hights than PC's genesis ever did.
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This statement is factually incorrect.
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Re: Phil Collins and King Crimson

Postby Krimzep on Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:45 pm

vrooom wrote:
Krimzep wrote:gabriels fame rose to much loftier hights than PC's genesis ever did.
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This statement is factually incorrect.



HMMM well I dont know about that

I do not agree show me the facts
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Re: Phil Collins and King Crimson

Postby Yorkshire Square on Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:31 am

Krimzep wrote:
vrooom wrote:
Krimzep wrote:gabriels fame rose to much loftier hights than PC's genesis ever did.
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This statement is factually incorrect.



HMMM well I dont know about that

I do not agree show me the facts


Fame isn't really factable. However sales are probably your best barometer of "Fame". From Wiki;

Re Genesis

"Genesis are a Grammy Award-winning English rock band formed in 1967, and are among the top 30 highest-selling recording artists of all time with approximately 150 million albums sold worldwide,[1] including 21.5 million albums sold in the United States. In 1988, the band won the Grammy Award for Best Concept Music Video. The longest-tenured members of Genesis are Phil Collins, Mike Rutherford, and Tony Banks. Peter Gabriel and Steve Hackett also played major roles in the band in its early days."

&

"1976 A Trick of the Tail
Released: 20 February 1976
Label: Charisma
3 — — — 43 — — 17 — 31 US: Gold
Wind & Wuthering
Released: 27 December 1976
Label: Charisma
7 — — — 19 — 12 21 — 26 US: Gold
1978 …And Then There Were Three…
Released: 7 April 1978
Label: Charisma
3 17 — — 2 — 7 22 — 14 US: Platinum
1980 Duke
Released: 28 March 1980
Label: Charisma
1 14 — — 2 — 4 9 — 11 US: Platinum
1981 Abacab
Released: 18 September 1981
Label: Charisma
1 — — — 6 — 4 11 — 7 US: 2x Platinum
1983 Genesis
Released: 3 October 1983
Label: Charisma / Virgin
1 2 — — 1 — 2 12 2 9 US: 4x Platinum
1986 Invisible Touch
Released: 9 June 1986
Label: Virgin
1 5 — — 2 — 3 4 4 3 US: 6x Platinum
1991 We Can't Dance
Released: 11 November 1991
Label: Virgin
1 1 — — 1 97 1 4 1 4 US: 4x Platinum"


Re Peter Gabriel

"Studio albums
Year Title UK Chart[1] US Chart BPI Certification RIAA Certification
1977 Peter Gabriel (1 or Car) 7 38 Gold —
1978 Peter Gabriel (2 or Scratch) 10 45 — —
1980 Peter Gabriel (3 or Melt) 1 22 Gold Gold
1982 Peter Gabriel (4 or Security) 6 28 Gold Gold
1986 So 1 2 3× Platinum 5× Multi-Platinum
1992 Us 2 2 Platinum Platinum
2002 Up 11 9 Silver —
TBR I/O to be released"

Good as I find PG, I'd say Genesis pinch it. By a country mile...
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Re: Phil Collins and King Crimson

Postby vrooom on Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:59 am

Like I said, it was factually inaccurate. Genesis has always outsold PG by the shedload. PG is effectively a cult artist who struck it lucky with the "Sledgehammer" video, whereas Genesis has always consistently sold albums.
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